So... Why is no one else able to log on and post blogs?
Did you guys use g-mail accounts?
see you in class!
Jeremy Y

Yeh, so anyone else bothered by Google monopolizing the internet?lol, I guess I am just a tad bit jealous- it was as if they just bust down the doors to our blogging space and assimilated us into their system!! ahh- images of the BORG from star-trek flash into my mind.. haha...
Anyway sorry about the random talk- just got back from the movies, when we started talking about the superbowl, and we all know what that led to- me translating XLI- made my day! haha...
Peace,
Jeremy Y

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Hey
I'm studying tomorrow morning with Jackie if anyone would care to join us.
Stacey Bedard

What Has Latin Done for Me Lately?
The weather is so depressing today. I wish I could stay home all day...

Trying to finish my translations...so hard to finish when I work from the time I get out of class until late at night. Gotta do what you gotta do! :) I'm down for a study group. I am free this weekend during the day. I am already meeting with another classmate for some awesome study time! Just let me know!

We are pretty lucky to have such a great teacher guys! We might have more hw and quizzes than other sections but I'm sure we are learning and retaining Latin at a higher level.

Stacey Bedard

Is it just me or does anyone else feel like all they do is Latin studying and or homework etc.? I am recovering from Latin 1 with Campbell. Suffice it to say they have very different "styles". The reason I am posting is to see if anyone else has the time frame after Latin class 1:50-2:50 M-TH. open for a group study/homework doing?
Also I missed class yesterday if anyone gets this before class tomorrow I was wondering what the assignment was for 1/25.

Thanks Illia

Has anyone who is new to the awesome teaching style of Prof. M. (and I'm not saying that to earn brownie points, you are awesome and I think most would agree with me) blogged here yet? I don't think I've seen any new names, not that I don't enjoy reading all the posts because someone usually posts the same question I have. :)

I have a random question from chapter 17. In the passage on page 9, line 11 reads "ad pugnam eum vocavit" which translates to "He called him to fight." With ad pugnam, does that literally mean "to the fight?" If not, could you use the verb infinitive pugnare in the place of ad pugnam? Does that make sense? I guess I'm just curious.

Otherwise, I think I'm getting the hang of the perfect and imperfect after a few instances of wanting to throw in the towel this week. Mia and I are planning on studying Sunday evening around 7 in the library if anyone wants to join. We will be perfect at the perfect... haha, no, lame joke. See you all tomorrow!

Olivia Hattan

How's this for nerdy...? I'm avoiding reading boring things for another class and wasting time I really don't have to waste by translating medieval Latin songs. It's kinda hard...

I've only gotten as far as the first stanza of two different songs. The rest of the stanzas have holes in the translation because we haven't learned the words and I can't find the words in either of the online Latin-to-English dictionaries that I use. The translations might not be correct because I guessed at some of the words... but I tried... (The Latin below doesn't always look correct to me, but this is exactly how it's printed in the CD's lyric booklet.)

"Return of the Birds"
by the Mediaeval Baebes

Laetabundus rediit
Joyous, returned
avium concentus,
the bird concert.
ver iocundum prodiit,
Spring, merry, proceeded.
gaudeat iuventus,
The youth rejoices
nova ferens gaudia;
for the new wild delights.

"Musa Venit Carmine"
by the Mediaeval Baebes

Musa venit carmine,
The Muse comes for our song,
dulci modulamine:
sweet, keeping time:
pariter cantemus,
we sing in like manner,
ecce virent omnia,
behold, everything is green,
prata, rus et nemus.
the meadows, the countryside and the grove.

Ah, well... on to boring medieval economic history...

~Rachael

What Has Latin Done for Me Lately?
Okay! The secret to excelling in Latin.......... wait for it......... (annonying isnt it).... haha, sorry-
Its Context! If anything, I learned that many words look alike-exactly alike- and differentiating them requires you to look at the whole sentence.
So there you have it! the secret, unveiled!
peace!
Jeremy Y

What Has Latin Done for Me Lately?
OK- so I am willing to spend some time in the library this week just to lock this perfect and imperfect stuff down. I think I may go Thursday afternoon. Sometimes saying things out loud makes them click. If anyone would like to join me let me know. :) THANKS

who else...Stacey Bedard
my sn is good85karma
email: sbedard@mail.usf.edu
whatever works :)

What Has Latin Done for Me Lately?
iusserant
That is the the 3rd plural past perfect of iubere, correct?
So the 2nd half of the 2nd sentence of the caption on pg 12. should read
Scintillam Horatianque valere iusserant
They ordered Scintilla and Horatia to bid goodbye.

thanks
Stacey Bedard

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Hey all,
I cannot remember or locate the definition of "tertia". I think it means third or three.
Ecce! tertia hora noctic redii. noli te vexare.

I think it means:

Look! I will return at the third hour at night. You do not worry.

I'm not sure. If someone could verify that sentence for me I would appreciate it. It's the last sentence of 18.5.

Re-reading my last post has reminded me - Mia, I hope you make that Latin cartoon soon and post it. I'm really looking forward to seeing it.

~Rachael

This is actually not about Latin, but rather about the Roman Lit class. I can't seem to sign into or find the Roman Lit class blog. Is there a typo on the syllabus perhaps?

I was looking for the blog because I have a question concerning the paper which is due on Wednesday. It says in the instructions to cite the page numbers when we allude to something in the text. When we do that, do you want the citation in parentheses or as a footnote?

~Rachael

In one of the paragraphs, it says "nunc igitur picturas scribebat." Which translate "Now therefore he wrote pictures." Having now and a past tense just doesn't make sense. Is it just the textbook or is Latin always like that?

Candace Kaw

What Has Latin Done for Me Lately?
I am so happy the quizzes didn't count this week. ugh! I thought I did much better than I did. I'm having the hardest time with the perfect tense. I also have to remember all of the declension of the nouns.
Well..I just wanted to complain I guess. Isn't that what the blog is for? haha

More randon thoughts...
Man, too bad the quizzes did not count this first week! I did pretty well on them! lol...
So, yeh there have been random blogs and comments on this our blog... it is wiered...
Cant wait for the weekend, it is usually when I bust out a few Latin words in front of my friends- who usually guess it correctly due to the amount of English and Spanish cognates! It makes me think- man I am taking a class to learn Latin, when my friends are guessing it! JEEZ.... lol...
This weekend's homework isnt too bad, because when Ms.E usually says, "dont worry guys, it is not new material" it usually is, except this time it isnt... lol whew!
PEACE!
Jeremy Y

I am sick today so I couldn't come to class. Can someone tell me the homework?

Candace Kaw

What Has Latin Done for Me Lately?

17.7
#4
I don't know what word what word to use for "coming". I can't recall any word specifically meaning that from last semester and there aren't any in the back of book 2 either. I know there is a simple vocab word for it...but I'm so tired and drawing a blank. thoughts...?

THANKS

Stacey Bedard

What Has Latin Done for Me Lately?

I forgot how long and tedious translation can be! I felt bad yesterday because I did all of the homework besides the translation. I didn't have it written down in my homework assignment book and I never heard her say it at the end of class. ugh. I hate not having my homework done. But I can't do anything about it now...

I didn't understand some of the sentences in the passage on 8. In particular the one that dealt with dung and teeth... And the Baker's sign confused me a bit as well. I'm sure we'll clear everything up today though!

Stacey Bedard

I remembered this quote from the movie PCU last night (it's a dumb, but hilarious, college movie). Has anyone else seen it? Anyways, this quote relates to a scene where a bunch of grad students who are working on their theses end up losing all their work because this guy pulls the plug that controls on the computers. The grad students end up going to the main character who just so happens to have a bunch of term papers that the grad students are desperate enough to use for their theses. This is a quote from on of the students when the main character asks him what his major is:

Main Guy: Next.
Grad Student: Uh, Sanskrit.
Main Guy: Sanskrit? You're majoring in a 5,000 year-old dead language?
Grad Student: Yeah.
Main Guy: Okay... Ooh.
[searches through papers]
Main Guy: Latin. It's the best I can do.

I find it humorous, at least.

Olivia Hattan

here's a bit of a drive-by posting!

I promise to post something more substantinal later, but this little thing is pretty funny, and goes along with my last post.



Mia Tignor

As some of you know, I work with kids at one of my jobs, so it's really cool to watch them learn things. Some of the teachers where I work know that I'm taking Latin, so they're curious as to how it's going and what I'm learning. I love it when the kids find out I'm taking Latin because they think it's some mysterious form of Spanish (at least that's one of them told me; I love the way a child's mind works). I play Hang Man with them on occasion and I'm thinking of giving them a Latin word to guess. And when they can't figure it out, I think I'll attempt to give them a lesson... or probably confuse them even more.

Oh, Professor M., I showed my fiance My Big Fat Greek Wedding for the first time this weekend after I asked you about it. Not that this has anything to do with Latin, but he was almost crying at the part where Toula's aunt questioned Ian about how he didn't eat meat and how she would make him lamb (I guess because I'm a vegetarian and he's not, so now the running joke between us is whether or not I'll eat lamb). I'm sorry, I know it embarasses you, but I love that movie. :)

Olivia Hattan

What Has Latin Done for Me Lately?

Hey Guys!
quick question
1) Pro Patria mori Dulce et Decorum est- does it mean "to die before the fatherland is sweet and beautiful"? if so, what case is Dulce in, and is Descorum in accusative?

Thanks a bunch!

Jeremy Y

What Has Latin Done for Me Lately?

More random thoughts here... I went for an interview the other day, and it wasnt suprizing when my interviewer looked at my schedule and said, "they still teach Latin these days?"
I guess I was over the "you take Latin?!?!?" exclamation that people made when I told them about the class. It almost seems that since Latin is a dead language, it is not expected to be taught anymore. With, all the other more contemporary languages around, I am always asked why bother with Latin. Funny thing is, I always give the same answer- "because I like it, and it is more useful than I ever imagined- translating old texts, finding out about the latin roots in English, Spanish, Italian..."
This anwer usually is enough, but for others, I guess they have to experience the class, and the language for themselves to see what I am talking about.

Amo Latin!
-- Jeremy Y --

What Has Latin Done for Me Lately?

This semester I'm going to try and keep up with these blogs...if I can remember the UserID and password....sadly i can remember quite a few Latin words but not a simple password. But there you have it. I'm so glad that this class has restarted again, though I have to tell you that I rarely studied over break. The best I did was mentally review the noun endings and verb endings and go over a couple of things in a workbork Prof. E lent me.
But I saw that Rachel had posted something about the Rome series on HBO....well one of my friends had got the first season on DVD for Christmas and I managed to wrangle him to promise that he wouldn't watch any of it till I was there with him. He knows I'm a Classics major and all and knows it's fun to me. So we've been sporadically watching it for a bit and it's really good. Except for the fact that I can't keep all the chicks straight and have to ask him who's related to who and all; and I can't quite understand everyone so I put subtitles up when he's not looking (which is actually very normal of me! :) Sad thing is that he doesn't notice the subtitles until 10/15 minutes later! But I like the series and I wondered, did the director and writer people keep it as accurate as possible? Me and my friend figure a little artistic license but I wondered how much?
But random-ness. As I was writing this blog a friend messaged me asking how school was today and I was like "It was good except for the fact I was tired" Then I thought about and tried to apply what we learned and typed "fessi ebam" I was tired. Was that right? Good luck all with the Past tenses!
-Stacy Snelling

What Has Latin Done for Me Lately?
I am very surprised at how much of this stuff I remember. I'm fuzzy on the declensions, but most of the other things seem to still be up in my brain! I've decided I'm getting an A this semester. I was really disappointed with my B I got last semester. I worked hard and I thought with the 7% extra credit (which I should received) I would have had an A. I still have to pick up my final and figure out how my grade averaged out that way. Regardless this semester I am taking all the quizzes, coming everyday, doing homework every night, and blogging. That will make it impossible for me to receive anything other than an A! score.

I was doing my homework a couple minutes ago and I feel like the perfect and imperfect tenses aren't so difficult. It's just more memorization. The thing is I just need time to let it sink in. Hopefully we don't jump into something completely different on Tuesday.

Stacey Bedard

The new tenses are a little imitating but I guess with a lot of practice they will get engrained in my mind.

I am going to just work with verbs again and again. How is everyone else going to study?

Candace Kaw

Wow, we're back an into the swing of things like there hadn't even been a break! It's amazing how that happens.

It's good to be back, and see everyone again. I have a hope that this semester will be better than the last, now that I know what I need to work on and how much time i'm going to have to put into it.

Now, when i walk around and see random latin words, it always makes me smile. even if I can't understand all of them, I know that my level of proficency is growing with each class period, and I hope to continue with it for a while.

Last semester, I took a Arts and Humanties class on the Middle Ages, and our class song was actually in Latin, an old drinking song from a german university. "Gaudeamus igitur"- "And so we rejoice" It was pretty neat to be able to look at the untranslated song and understand a word here, and a word there. It always made me smile.

Gaudeamus igitur
Juvenes dum sumus
Post jucundum juventutem
Post molestam senectutem
Nos habebit humus.

Ubi sunt qui ante nos
In mundo fuere?
Vadite ad superos
Transite in inferos
Hos si vis videre.

Vita nostra brevis est
Brevi finietur.
Venit mors velociter
Rapit nos atrociter
Nemini parcetur.

Vivat academia
Vivant professores
Vivat membrum quodlibet
Vivat membra quaelibet
Semper sint in flore.

Vivant omnes virgines
Faciles, formosae.
Vivant et mulieres
Tenerae amabiles
Bonae laboriosae.

Vivant et republica
et qui illam regit.
Vivat nostra civitas,
Maecenatum caritas
Quae nos hic protegit.

Pereat tristitia,
Pereant osores.
Pereat diabolus,
Quivis antiburschius
Atque irrisores.

The translation:

Let us rejoice therefore
While we are young.
After a pleasant youth
After a troublesome old age
The earth will have us.

Where are they
Who were in the world before us?
You may cross over to heaven
You may go to hell
If you wish to see them.

Our life is brief
It will be finished shortly.
Death comes quickly
Atrociously, it snatches us away.
No one is spared.

Long live the academy!
Long live the teachers!
Long live each male student!
Long live each female student!
May they always flourish!

Long live all maidens
Easy and beautiful!
Long live mature women also,
Tender and loveable
And full of good labor.

Long live the State
And the One who rules it!
Long live our City
And the charity of benefactors
Which protects us here!

Let sadness perish!
Let haters perish!
Let the devil perish!
Let whoever is against our school
Who laughs at it, perish!

There's a link to the song here, if you'd like to download it!

Mia Tignor

Wow, we're back an intot he swing of things like there hadn't even been a break! It's amazing how that happens.

It's good to be back, and see everyone again. I have a hope that this semester will be better than the last, now that I know what I need to work on and how much time i'm going to have to put into it.

Now, when i walk around and see random latin words, it always makes me smile. even if I can't understand all of them, I know that my level of proficency is growing with each class period, and I hope to continue with it for a while.

Last semester, I took a Arts and Humanties class on the Middle Ages, and our class song was actually in Latin, an old drinking song from a german university. "Gaudeamus igitur"- "And so we rejoice" It was pretty neat to be able to look at the untranslated song and understand a word here, and a word there. It always made me smile.

Gaudeamus igitur
Juvenes dum sumus
Post jucundum juventutem
Post molestam senectutem
Nos habebit humus.

Ubi sunt qui ante nos
In mundo fuere?
Vadite ad superos
Transite in inferos
Hos si vis videre.

Vita nostra brevis est
Brevi finietur.
Venit mors velociter
Rapit nos atrociter
Nemini parcetur.

Vivat academia
Vivant professores
Vivat membrum quodlibet
Vivat membra quaelibet
Semper sint in flore.

Vivant omnes virgines
Faciles, formosae.
Vivant et mulieres
Tenerae amabiles
Bonae laboriosae.

Vivant et republica
et qui illam regit.
Vivat nostra civitas,
Maecenatum caritas
Quae nos hic protegit.

Pereat tristitia,
Pereant osores.
Pereat diabolus,
Quivis antiburschius
Atque irrisores.

The translation:

Let us rejoice therefore
While we are young.
After a pleasant youth
After a troublesome old age
The earth will have us.

Where are they
Who were in the world before us?
You may cross over to heaven
You may go to hell
If you wish to see them.

Our life is brief
It will be finished shortly.
Death comes quickly
Atrociously, it snatches us away.
No one is spared.

Long live the academy!
Long live the teachers!
Long live each male student!
Long live each female student!
May they always flourish!

Long live all maidens
Easy and beautiful!
Long live mature women also,
Tender and loveable
And full of good labor.

Long live the State
And the One who rules it!
Long live our City
And the charity of benefactors
Which protects us here!

Let sadness perish!
Let haters perish!
Let the devil perish!
Let whoever is against our school
Who laughs at it, perish!

There's a link to the song here, if you'd like to download it!

Was just taking a look at the historian's blog at the HBO's "Rome" website. He had some profound things to say about studying Latin. He talks about the first time he understood a line from Virgil's "Aeneid" in the original Latin without translating it, even in his head, and how special that realization was for him. I still look forward to my "first time" of totally understanding a piece of Latin poetry (or even something from our class textbook) without having to think twice about it. It is becoming more and more intuitive all the time though, so I have high hopes of getting there with time, effort and practice that I am most willing to give. But sometimes, I have to make myself go with the flow and not question it in the moment. When I question myself, I have a tendency to over-think and get things wrong. Did that on a few quizzes last semester...

~Rachael

Is it just me or did the winter break just fly by?

I swore I would put forth effort to get some studying done, and I will admit I pulled out our textbook from last semester on Christmas day to show a few things to my mom and my future mother-in-law. I also purchased a Latin/English dictionary as extra reference and to look up words I may be curious about. Otherwise, I didn't put forth as much effort as I should, and already I'm noticing that. I guess it's time to get out of vacation mode huh?

Oddly enough, it's good to be back.

Olivia Hattan

Welcome back everyone!

I was truly very happy to see everyone in class yesterday, the perfect antidote to the beginning of the semester blahs that haunt me for the past decade. Coming back from Greece after X-mas is always hard, since my mind has to flip the language-switch in less than 24 hrs (I always come back at the 11th hour...) on top of the accursed jet-lag. But this year I knew I was coming back to a school and a town that I love, and to you all, so that made the transition *much* easier. Thank you all for sticking with Latin---I promise you magic days (and nights!) of intense study ahead....this is an orange tree at our farmhouse in Crete, a tree that my father asked me to plant in 1997, the year I came to the states for grad school (can you see my daughter sitting under the tree in the first pic?). Seeing this tree bear fruit in the middle of the winter strikes me as a very apt metaphor of both my own adventures in this terra aliena and of our common goals for Latin. We are half way done with the year, and in the mild winter of the orange state we continue to bear the fruits of Latin...I know you will all do your best this semester, both the 'old' ones and the 'new' ones, and, once you do so, you will be satisfied with the results of your labors. I promise you that I will be helping you every step of the way to catch up and to expand your knowledge of the most fascinating language ever created by man (can you tell that I am in a MOOD?!)

Vestra,

EM.

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So, first day of class! It was pretty exciting to see everyone again. And the applause for Ms.E (which was deserved...lol) just made it a great way to start the new semester. And moving away from the fairy-tale start of the class, I do expect there to be a good amount of work, but with Ms.E, and frequent hand-raises during class, I am sure we will get through it!

Jeremy Y

This semster my goal for Latin is to get an A. I am going to study everyday, get all my work done, and be organize! Hopefully this will actually happen. :)

Candace Kaw

Looks like this is the first new post of the semester...

Since Prof. M warned us last semester that we had to keep up with our Latin over the break so it wouldn't be so hard to get back into the swing of things in the next few weeks, I tried to do something with my Latin textbook at least every few days. On vacation with three younger, very demanding siblings, among other distractions, I'm afraid that was the best I could manage. I hope it helped.

Also over break, I was watching the "Bones" Season One DVDs, and I noticed this one scene involving Latin. At the beginning of episode 2, "The Boy in the Tree," three of the main characters are investigating a homicide at a very prestigious prep school in Washington, DC, where the children of high-ranking elected officials and foreign ambassadors are educated. It's very high-brow, and very restricted. So much so that no outsiders are allowed on campus without an escort. As they are arriving, the three are discussing how distorted the world inside such a prep school is. Under the name of the school at the entrance is a Latin phrase: "Omnia mea mecum porto." One of the main characters chuckles and says, "What's that mean, huh? 'Regular people stay out?'" thinking that it will amuse the other two. But the other two, who are much more educated than the first, just look at him like he's crazy and completely unfunny. Simultaneously, they say in monotone, "I carry with me all my things." I was amused...

Also, my aunt got me a CD of modernized Medieval music. I had never heard of the group before, but they are called "The Mediaeval Baebes," of all things. But the really cool thing is that there is quite a lot of Latin in the songs. I'm totally fascinated with it. I hope to be able to understand all of it without looking at the translations by the end of the semester. A little taste:

"Laetabundus rediit
avium concentus,
ver iocundum prodiit,
gaudeat iuventus,
nova ferens gaudia."
~"The Return of the Birds" by the Mediaeval Baebes, on their album "Mirabilis"

I'm also very excited about "Rome" starting up again on Sunday (Jan. 14th). I'm on the edge of my seat to find out what's going on with Vorenus and his children, after what happened at the end of the first season. The very disturbing previews on the HBO website aren't helping in the slightest bit. Anybody else totally engrossed in "Rome," or is it just me?

~Rachael